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Vango Alpha 400

Postby Ark on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:35 am

Hi,

My wife, son, and I took our first camping trip a few weeks back at Dan yr Ogof in Wales; we borrowed a tent from my some of my wife's relatives along with pretty much everything else too. My son is just under a year old, and given that my parents didn't take me camping as a child, I want him to have those experiences as he grows up, plus it's an excuse for me to have those experiences! :cool:

We had a great time, the location was absolutely beautiful and other people camping nearby were friendly and polite; without a doubt our first trip was a huge success and so we have decided to take the plunge and stock up on our own camping gear, with backpacking in mind.

For the tent we have been looking at the Vango Alpha 400, but I cannot seem to find anywhere that confirms if the ground sheet for the sleeping area is sewn in, or if it is loose. I can see from pictures that the porch area looks loose because the sides look as though there are gaps. The other query I have is how practical is it to put a 67x18x18 4.9kg tent into a backpack?

I registered here and have posted this because from what I have read, people seem to be very helpful and polite on these forums - so thank you in advance.
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Rob-merlin1973 on Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:16 am

Hi
Welcome to the forum :D

The tent has a 4-berth breathable polyester inner with a 10,000mm HH polyethylene bathtub groundsheet which is sewn in and a front porch area with pre-attached groundsheet. The flysheet is made from Protex 2000, a polyester fabric with 2000mm hydrostatic head with fully taped seams. Pitched inner tent first. Comes complete with zip entry handled carry bag and repair kit.

Weight: 4.9kg
Pack Size: 67x18x18cm

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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Ark on Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:07 pm

Many thanks for clarifying the groundsheet issue.

Do you think the weight and size is reasonable for a big backpack? I've been looking at the Lichfield Explorer 60+10, but open to suggestions for a more suitable backpack.
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby buddy on Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:43 pm

i cant help on tent issues coz i dnt no that much only advice i can give take ur time picking the right tent as u have a very young baby i made this error in 2001 and it put the mother off camping which meant end ov my camping for a good few yrs
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby GirlRacerRed on Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:43 pm

Hi there

welcome to the forum :yes:

I have an Alpha 400 and can confirm that the sleeping area does have a sewn in groundsheet. it is like a bathtub, in that it comes up the sides by about 10cm and then the inner tent material starts. And yes, the porch area groundsheet is connected to the inner tent, so it's not connected to the outer flysheet. when we've used our Alpha 400, we put a groundsheet down under the whole tent, before pitching, just to be on the safe side!

It's a good tent, perfect for lightweight travelling, summer camping etc. But in all honesty, hubby and I found it a bit of a squeeze with us and the dog. our double air bed filled the inner tent quite full, and then we put our rucksack inside, dogs bed, coolbox... you get the picture. we don't travel particularly light either. what did me in was the crawling in and out of it. we also have a Venture 500 plus Premium Extension and we've always been able to stand up and move around easily in that. so to go from a big tent, down to something smaller, it was a bit awkward.

but don't get me wrong, the Alpha 400 was perfectly adequate, it was just small. It's reasonably priced for first time campers, and you would probably be able to purchase an end of season one for around £40. Just consider how much space you will have when your little one grows more.

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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Wayne on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:31 pm

Hi Ark and a warm welcome to the forum

I can't comment any more than the advice already given.




Nope, never took it out of the box. But, the salesperson said this tent was super easy to set up; even in windy conditions...
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Ark on Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:25 am

Thank you for all of the replies, very glad that it is sewn-in. :)

I think it is fair to say that when our son is a few years older, we will look at a larger tent as well as larger items, eg. coolbox, etc. My wife isn't keen on the idea of not being able to stand-up inside a tent, but she agrees that there has to be a compromise between a tent that we can backpack with and a tent that we can put in a car.

Also, as my wife has pointed out - when our son is 7 or 8, he and I can go camping with the backpack tent whilst my wife and future daughter can have a girly weekend. If the tent survives that many years of course!

We looked at the "light-weight" backpacking tents, but they are far too small for two + baby + backpacks. At the same time we don't want something that can't be put into a backpack. (As above, in a few years we will get a bigger one.) The Vango Alpha 400 seems to fit the bill, it's only 1kg heavier than the biggest light-weight I could find and yet offers much more space.


On our first camping trip we didn't take an airbed or anything like that, just a few blankets for the little one and a "2 season" double sleeping bag ... oh my, what a mistake that was! Our son was happy, snoring like a little trooper, whilst we held on to each other trying to conserve body heat and wondering why our hips ached so much! It wasn't even that cold, but obviously as you sleep you feel it! We learned our lesson (and still had a great time)! We will invest in seperate sleeping bags that can do minus figures; better to have to peel back layers in the summer than peel back icicles!


The best thing we invested in rather than borrow was a baby carrier backpack; it would be a nightmare to use a pram or buggy mountain areas, no matter how well defined the paths are. I hope it's okay to share this, I'm not trying to advertise, just return the favour of friendly advice incase anyone here has a baby and needs help with logistics. The one we got was actually from eBay for just under £40 including postage, but it is only suitable up to 18kg. That was fine for us because as soon as our son can walk, he will walk! :yes:

There is a much better one though called the Deuter Kid Comfort which takes up to 22kg for bigger kids and more storage. The great thing about these is that you can put all the stuff you will need for a day out (baby wipes, nappies, lunch, spoon, spare clothes, etc.) into the compartment and carry your little one as if you were carrying a backpack, quite comfortably too.

One of the best things about this was the plastic rain cover which doubles up unofficially as a wind shield. When we were up a mountain with very harsh winds, it meant our little one had no problems with breathing. (Babies find it difficult to breath if wind is blowing in their face.) The other great use for this was when you stop to eat and rest, take the backpack off and baby stays inside, feet off the ground, sound asleep.
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby GirlRacerRed on Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:46 am

Hi Ark,

sounds like you've got it all sussed out now. and thanks for the feedback on the baby carrier, that's worth knowing for me and hubby as we're trying to start a family now, but don't want to give up our camping and walking

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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Ark on Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:37 am

Good luck with that! :)

I can honestly say that my son is the best thing to happen in my life; he is my inspiration and puts a smile on my face every 5 minutes. And camping isn't as difficult with a baby as you might first think. As long as they are kept warm at night (double clothes up, several blankets under and over, hat, gloves, etc.) then they will love the outdoors!
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby buddy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:28 pm

can i just ask are you backpacking with a baby
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Ark on Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:09 pm

buddy wrote:can i just ask are you backpacking with a baby


Not right now, and certainly not during the winter, but come spring/summer we will, although he will be over a year old by then. It's not as difficult as you might first think, providing you take care to pick a suitable campsite, take all the necessary gear and keep them safe and dry.

I think we are blessed as our son prefers peace and quiet, and loves the outdoors - especially birds. We saw a Red Kite whilst camping and he was mesmerized. :)
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Ark on Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:30 pm

We are torn! We went to a camping store yesterday and saw both the Alpha 400 and the Omega 350. The Alpha 400 clearly states that the groundsheet is 10,000mm but the Omega 350 (2010 model) doesn't comment on how good it's groundsheet is, yet the bedroom is the same size and it gives a bigger porch + smaller packing size...

Does anyone have a 2010 Omega 350?
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Wayne on Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:12 pm

Ark wrote:The best thing we invested in rather than borrow was a baby carrier backpack; it would be a nightmare to use a pram or buggy mountain areas, no matter how well defined the paths are. I hope it's okay to share this, I'm not trying to advertise, just return the favour of friendly advice incase anyone here has a baby and needs help with logistics. The one we got was actually from eBay for just under £40 including postage, but it is only suitable up to 18kg. That was fine for us because as soon as our son can walk, he will walk! :yes:


Which one did you buy.

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This my son, Liam in his on Snowdon. Littlelife Discoverer. We also have the rainy day cover (and wind as you say) and sun cover for it.

I agree with your comment about as soon as he can walk he will walk. But I figure on some of the bigger hills (In my case over Kinder in the Peak District) there will be sections that are just to far etc for them and will need to rest. What's your thoughts on that, I'm still trying to figure how far I can push certain age groups. My 7 and 11 year olds did Snowdon to top and back down OK.




Nope, never took it out of the box. But, the salesperson said this tent was super easy to set up; even in windy conditions...
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Ark on Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:00 pm

Wayne wrote:Which one did you buy.


We bought the one from eBay; it's called a Petite Star according to the label. I love the design of the one you have linked though. The raincover for ours attaches pretty much the same way yours appears to, except the side flaps are not secured... I'm not sure if that's a pro or a con, but it works.

Wayne wrote:I agree with your comment about as soon as he can walk he will walk. But I figure on some of the bigger hills (In my case over Kinder in the Peak District) there will be sections that are just to far etc for them and will need to rest. What's your thoughts on that, I'm still trying to figure how far I can push certain age groups. My 7 and 11 year olds did Snowdon to top and back down OK.


I agree entirely; if my relatives and myself are anything to go by then my son will be walking by 1 year, but it would be rather unreasonable to expect a 1 year old to hike up a mountain; but as far as walking at the top and the bottom and maybe having a try, I'd much rather spend hours whilst he tries and enjoys himself than pick him up and rush. Time rage is no-one's friend! ;)
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Re: Vango Alpha 400

Postby Wayne on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:06 am

Ark wrote:I'd much rather spend hours whilst he tries and enjoys himself than pick him up and rush. Time rage is no-one's friend! ;)


Agreed, once mine is walking we can take our time on the sections he can manage whilst we wait for my OH to catch up :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:




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