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Re: Airbeam

Postby Wayne on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:10 am

It don't put me off. I have a 600 earmarked when funds allow (not yet i fear).

I can see both sides of the argument. I agree that a safety valve would be a good idea, but at the risk of it going faulty and slowly releasing pressure, then i would prefer not to have them fitted.

We could arguer that no one follows the instructions and Vango should have fitted the safety valves,,,,,, should we also limit all cars to a maximum speed of 70 because the rules say that is the maximum in this country :roll:

Maybe the way forward would be to fit the safety valve on the pump and have a connect to the tent that is standard to only the Vango pump (with replacements at cost :roll: ). That way it would be impossible to pump more than the required pressure into the beams.

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Nope, never took it out of the box. But, the salesperson said this tent was super easy to set up; even in windy conditions...
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Re: Airbeam

Postby nutgone on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:55 am

Wayne wrote:It don't put me off. I have a 600 earmarked when funds allow (not yet i fear).

I can see both sides of the argument. I agree that a safety valve would be a good idea, but at the risk of it going faulty and slowly releasing pressure, then i would prefer not to have them fitted.

We could arguer that no one follows the instructions and Vango should have fitted the safety valves,,,,,, should we also limit all cars to a maximum speed of 70 because the rules say that is the maximum in this country :roll:

Maybe the way forward would be to fit the safety valve on the pump and have a connect to the tent that is standard to only the Vango pump (with replacements at cost :roll: ). That way it would be impossible to pump more than the required pressure into the beams.

Vango design center, click HERE for my CV :tune:


Well said Wayne. I myself would not want one. I have already stated my thoughts on the Airbeam in another thread, & don't wish to go over it all again.

I'm interested to hear Rex's thoughts, now he has seen one in the flesh, & I would like to see one myself, but I doubt my thoughts would change much.

I do think Vango dropped the ball with this one, but not in a big way, & I reckon they may well have the means to get it sorted. Weather they do or not is another issue. I feel they are just as likely to drop the whole thing in the next 2 years, who knows? To be perfectly honest, I'm really not that bothered. I have my own opinions & thoughts, but these simply come from my distant background in engineering, nothing to do with my love of all things camping.

Not for me, but I can still show an interest if I choose to. Each to their own & good luck Vango. :cool:
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Re: Airbeam

Postby rexgrant on Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:47 pm

Hi again.
That would be a step in the right direction, but to achieve that would require expensive equipment to make such a pump, As for a leaky PRV that would be down to the company's QA, if the fitter was fully trained in fitting a modern PRV designed for that type of application it should not leak.
Quality PRV have a very important job to play in industry and a defective one would be very rare And for a low pressure tube to open seams does not say much about the quality of the seams or the design. Once again I can only go back to the Karston, their tubes have no bearing on seams they are exposed and held in place with special holders, That is the reason I think that without a re-design I don't think that the Airbeam will be here for long , Let me assure you all I have no problems with any tent makers I just believe that anything that is sold should be up to an acceptable standard,
And tents that become peoples homes for short periods should be of a standard that wont let campers down that applies to all makes of tents.
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Re: Airbeam

Postby OutdoorWorldDirect on Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:33 pm

I've been researching Airbeam for a good period of time to see all the negatives and positives regarding the product. Having read many reviews and seen the product in the flesh dozens of time i have formed my own opinion.

The problem with online reviews of any product in the world (in my opinion) is that you tend to see more of the negative than the positive. Obvious reasons being that when people are annoyed, they look for somewhere to vent about it and quite rightly so. However, you must not forget the thousands of customers who do not suffer any issues with their product and therefore do not write a review regarding that product. In fact, most people rarely leave positive feedback unless they are an avid supporter of that brand/product/industry or are annoyed that it has been faulty after spending their hard earned money on it. In this day and age, we all expect everything to work perfectly without problems.

Most of the negative comments i have found RE Airbeam seem to be when they have been over-inflated as per the instructions fault. if you look at the faults from people posting online, they appear all to be the same,

1) water ingress at the seams where the tubes have been overfilled.
2) exploding beams again down to overfilling the beam.

I am sure there were some products that had other manufacturing faults too such as zips and seam stitching etc, however i feel that the amount of negative reviews found for the product are so minimal compared to the amount of Airbeam products actually in the hands of consumers in the marketplace at the moment.

If there was a serious problem with the product other than that of the instructions i would of expected the following to happen:

1) Vango would of recalled the product as they have in the past (Vango Killington 900)
2) There would be thousands of negative reviews and seriously p****d off people around venting it all over the web. (Especially considering the price of purchasing it)

3) They would of fitted some kind of pressure release system for the next season (2012). There was enough time for them to do it in my opinion, the product has been around nearly a year now and if the problem was significant then it would of been resolved by adding the PRV Rex has spoken of.

There obviously has been some isolated cases of problems with Airbeam products, but i would think that the amount of returns is in line with any other product in the range of Vango. In fact, most tent returns i see are pole breakages and this should be less of a problem with Airbeam should it not as you can repair/replace the beam? The range has had some teething problems, it isnt the end of the world. I am sure that Vango rectified the problem and ensured those customers had their product replaced.

And, tell me a high profle product that has not had a teething problem, look at the Xbox with its dreaded red light fault when it was released. Over 80% had the fault and were returned to xbox but the product survived and is the best in the marketplace right now.

Anyway, that's just my opinion, dont shoot me down. Obviously as a stockist i am biased to the product as i hopefully aim to sell it lol. However, the camping industry is a small world and gossip flies around about all brands / products and i would of heard from somewhere if there was a serious problem of note with the product. Also, if the product wasn't ready for marketplace, it would not of made it to the market because of the stringent tests and government standards it has to pass to get to the consumer.

Wayne or Andy, Ask me in a years time after i have stocked the product for over a year and i will give you an honest answer on whether it is good enough to be in the market and whether i think it is worth the money.

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Re: Airbeam

Postby Admin on Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:19 pm

*Fully agree on all the above great post david

*except the comment about the xbox we all know ps3 rules ;)

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Re: Airbeam

Postby rexgrant on Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:04 am

Hi David
Before I try to answer you I think we should be aware that it is your financial interest as to the future of the Airbeam.
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You say I've been researching Airbeam for a good period of time to see all the negatives and positives regarding the product. Having read many reviews and seen the product in the flesh dozens of time i have formed my own opinion.



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However, you must not forget the thousands of customers who do not suffer any issues with their product and therefore do not write a review regarding that product. In fact, most people
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Until we know the percentage of returns and complaints and the number of units sold how can you say that.
I personally have read about more problems with the Airbeam than any other expensive tent,in the years I have been using the Internet.

I wont go on David it seams truth and mutual discussion upset too many people these days.
But answer me one question .Firms like Vango don't make miss prints about critical features that can fell a tent.in my opinion, the tubes and seams in the percentage of tents that became defective were not strong enough to withstand the force of 5 PSI. and the reduction psi to cover their quality will no doubt allow tents to get blown down.Once again this is ((my opinion)) as an engineer
Knowing that a tube must have enough pressure to withstand strong winds, because the tube is guyed solid and the tube is restrained like it is strong winds will squash the tube and allow it to fold if enough pressure is not in the tube to resist 3 psi is quite adequate to hold the tent up while it is guyed, this as I said in my previous post Kamplet state to increase pressure by 25% if strong winds are forecast With all 18 guys fitted on just the basic tent.
This Post is the reason fellow campers spend many hours to read about campers who have bought tents and had problems ,my guess is that only a small percentage of camper join and post on forums and if they have had problems we want to here.
It is well known that if you require a true review of any product the user is were to go to,and honest forums who do not take the retailers adverts like this forum are the place to find out.
My own website that is read by campers from across the globe is not used for this type of information.
David.
Products that are made in a QA regulated factory and are fully tested not 1 or 2 at the4 start of a project,But on a regular basis throughout manufacture will soon find any faults or weakness in a design and can correct it. The campers in the UK should not be Final inspection for manufactures products.
As I have stated all along the Idea is fine the maths add up the QA let it down . Because it is inflatable their are far more items in the build that can become defective.
Once again I wish Vango good luck and hope they achieve a successful tent for my fellow UK campers and their families.
OK I believe the saying is "Im out of her" I have no more to add :tune: and as David and I said we will just have to wait to see what 2012 brings to the AIRBEAM.
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Rex :cool:

PS ) water ingress at the seams where the tubes have been overfilled.
2) exploding beams again down to overfilling the beam.

Were is the proof that the camper over inflated the tubes is it not possible that the camper acted within the spec and the tents that leaked and exploded were not as strong as the others ??? bad QA.
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Re: Airbeam

Postby Admin on Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:30 am

rexgrant wrote:This Post is the reason fellow campers spend many hours to read about campers who have bought tents and had problems ,my guess is that only a small percentage of camper join and post on forums and if they have had problems we want to here.



I think this is a very good point and the point at which we close this discussion to those that do not own and are only speculating and basing points on others reviews and feedback. Lets leave it for those owners to pick this up and give their own views and thoughs.

I also want members to note the following it is a known fact you will always find far more negative reviews than posative on most things.. just human nature we only get vocal when unhappy. and further more were often over vocal and over exaggerate.

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Re: Airbeam

Postby pogue on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:46 am

prepare thyself for a short membership :bang:
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Re: Airbeam

Postby CrazyCamper on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:49 am

pogue wrote:prepare thyself for a short membership :bang:


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