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So we all go to them but ... would you like to run a campsite?

Yes, it's my dream job
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No, I just like visiting them
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Not sure
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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby nutgone on Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:34 pm

Yeah, I couldn't really elaborate on my last post, as I was using my phone. That tiny keyboard actually hurts after a while!

The cafe my mum owned, back in the 80s, was taken over by 2 couples. One of the people actually used to teach in night school for adults, "how to run your own small business".
Wel, they took ownership of the cafe, sacked the only staff member, closed the business for 3 weeks, re-decorated, changed just about everything & failed.
My parents bought it as an empty shop about 2 years before, turned it into such a good little cafe that it saw all the competition in the (small) town off within 18 months.

THAT's the "if it aint broke, don't fix it" I was getting at.

I think if you take over a reasonably successful going concern it doesn't hurt to carry on running it for a while & see where improvements can be made over time, as it sounds like you have.


The cafe I worked at recently was actually very successful, the main problem was the owner had gone into it with his rose tinted spectacles on & hadn't done his research. Unfortunately he never realised how much hard work was involved (he openly admitted to me he thought running a cafe was "women's work" & couldn't be that difficult). He was also unfortunate to walk into the trap of an unscrupulous landlord who had deliberately set the rent too high as he was trying to gain planning permission for a change of use for the premises.

Another case of not doing proper research.

You sound to me like the ideal person to be taking advice from, where running a site is concerned.

My dream is exactly that, just a dream. I would like to do it on a small scale myself, & I would prefer to start with a bare field.
I doubt I'll ever have the cash to do so though, unless I kill off both my parents & all my siblings, but by the time I would get out of jail I expect the idea wouldn't seem so clever :lol:

Dealing with the public is a funny old trade though. I used to be front of house at the cafe I worked at. It certainly has its' ups & downs, but even the downs can make for some funny stories later on.
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Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby Luiiz on Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:03 pm

Hi Jonnie,

I've really enjoyed reading your posts.

I would love to run a campsite but like nutgone I think I would want to start with the basics and do them very well!! However again this is just a dream... I work with people ( I'm an estate agent- please don't hold that against me!!) and I know that there is nothing as queer as folk!!!

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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby Wayne on Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:06 pm

Luiiz wrote:I work with people ( I'm an estate agent- please don't hold that against me!!) and I know that there is nothing as queer as folk!!!

Louise


Now this is one area where I fall down.

The last three presents my wife has brought me for no apparent reason are:

A large red Mr Grumpy cup
A Mr Men, Mr Rude (which is cool)
A sign that says "Do I look like a freakin People Person"

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Guess thats me out then :lol:




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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby nutgone on Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:36 pm

Wayne; Maybe it's just as well you don't want to run your own camp site! :lol:

That's if your wife's any judge of character. Guess we'll have to wait & see, if I ever make it to a campout.
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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby Wayne on Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:41 pm

nutgone wrote:Wayne; Maybe it's just as well you don't want to run your own camp site! :lol:

That's if your wife's any judge of character. Guess we'll have to wait & see, if I ever make it to a campout.


She confuses quite for grumpy :roll:




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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby nutgone on Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:04 pm

Wayne wrote:
nutgone wrote:Wayne; Maybe it's just as well you don't want to run your own camp site! :lol:

That's if your wife's any judge of character. Guess we'll have to wait & see, if I ever make it to a campout.


She confuses quite for grumpy :roll:


Oh I get that a lot. Women don't understand how men must have their quiet time. We're deep thinkers, men.

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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby jonnie on Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:34 am

nutgone wrote: One of the people actually used to teach in night school for adults, "how to run your own small business".


Thats interesting, my knowledge is gained 100% from practical experience - 0% percent theoretical.

I dont want for one minute to suggest a theoretical approach has no merit however I think that fairly soon you really need to start applying practical examples to the theory so I could imagine a course aimed at small hotel owners being very useful but I find it harder to see how a course aimed equally at a small engineering shop, a sports wear outlet, a publican and a campsite owner could really be of much use to any of them - the real value information is in the specifics not the generics in my opinion.

I think if you list the generic information that is useful it takes only five minutes.

The real interesting stuff is in the specifics and then you have to decide whether you are talking about running a campsite or running a shop and stay on topic, I dont believe I would learn much of use if I attended a business course aimed at shop owners, the devil is in the detail and detail comes from practical experience so the valuable insights are gained from looking and talking to people already running that specific type of business.

My wife and I are both of the opinion that we have good ability at running a small tourist business but we both have severe doubts we would necessarily be good at running any other type of business -maybe we would but we lack that certainty to say "Yup I could do that really well" whereas now we feel really confident in the area of tourism.

I can remember at one stage we were a little flushed with an early success and talked of what other businesses we could or might like to run and to begin with the discussion was over confident and we thought "If we can do this well we could lots of other things well" but at the end of the discussion our deflated egos told us that NO! All we knew with confidence is that we can run a small tourist business well.

All I am saying here I guess is that if those folks just taught theoretical and the theory was not grounded in loads of real hands on experience in the specific sector of interest then I have doubts that the theory would be of great use.

If I wanted to learn how to run a successful cafe I would talk to as many successful and unsuccessful cafe owners ( learn from the negative as well as the positive ) as I could find - I wouldnt start at the local nightcourse centre.

I think you could learn a lot from talking to everyone who had failed at running a cafe....or actually...No that isnt really correct because usually they dont know why they failed and that is symptomatic of the problem - what I really mean is that I would like to see a fly on the wall documentary chronicalling their failure - that would be invaluable information albeit at the cost of someone else's misery.

Jon

PS: Away from business theory - Oone good quality is the ability to smile. Our customers warm to my wife who is aimiable and smiles easily - many have said that they are amazed that she still smiles in high season - they go on to tell us that in their experience the majority of campsite owners look like sour grapes when the pressure is on and they genuinely find it a pleasure to come to reception and get help with a smile from my wife.

I have to remember that because I do all the practical stuff and so if I am in the middle of a plumbing nightmare and run back to the workshop for some more tools I need to take a quick breath, let the anxiety drain out of my face and freshen myself up mentally so I can still give the kids a smile when I pass them - they can read your face and although you are focused on a plumbing issue what you may actually be displaying is fear or something else that they can pick up on negatively.

All I can say is the thing that often shocks me most in small family run tourist businesses is not the standard of the loos or the lack of business accumen, its just the apparent belief that the world owes you a living and that a careless, grumpy or slightly sour demeanour towards the customer is acceptable - I am sometimes deeply shocked.
The worst I ever saw was in France when I was helping a fellow hotel owner with his computer - I anticipated a pause so that the hotel owner could deal with a customer who had just arrived for his key but I was shocked as he briefly turned, silently slid the keys to the customer and then without a skip of a beat turned back to the computer screen where his (self) interest lay - when I saw that I knew we had choosen the right trade because with competition like that you know you are ahead of the game just because you care.
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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby nutgone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:04 pm

You're right about talking to failed business owners. My old boss at the cafe would blame the whole thing on the landlord, when in fact it was his fault for not researching the business properly & working out that the business could never support the high rent.
Some people never seem to be able to see their part in things.

What you said about a smile got me thinking. When my old boss decided the cafe wasn't going to work, I had no idea what was going on. I was living-in upstairs, so not only had a job but also my accommodation at stake. But, like I said, I had no idea what was going on, & although I knew the place wasn't making anyone rich, I didn't know he was about to throw the towel in altogether.
Anyway, I was on the counter, as usual. We had a momentary quiet spell, when he called me into the prep room (out the back) for a "quick word". I was told that he'd had enough, the landlord wouldn't drop the rent (later found out he had NEVER even asked the landlord to drop the rent??? :? ) & we all had 3 days notice! He said he would be good enough to pay me until the end of the week, if I helped them move out! (leaving me & all my stuff & an angry landlord to try & placate for long enough for me to get my stuff out!). My daily life was suddenly shattered & I had loads of stuff to get my head around.
Then I had to get back on the counter & serve all the customers with a smile, make sure I got all the orders right & communicated through to the kitchen correctly.
I also had the bosses partner, who was the main cook, in tears in the kitchen. So I was in & out of there, helping out, calming her down & helping out cooking food as she was rushing in & out when it all became too much (she'd put her heart & soul into that place, & she was very professional, not usually the emotional type).

I kept on smiling though :D (see)

I know it's a different situation, & I'm not trying to draw any comparisons, just thought I would share the story, that's all.
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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby jonnie on Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:03 pm

Hi

Apart from running a campsite I also run a website for people to advertise campsites, hotels and B&BS for sale.

I just got this advert in - all I can say is wow!!!

http://www.buymydreamhotel.com/dbase_see_record.php?ref=FRJG942&xxx_lang=EN

I could not resist the temptation to share the eye-candy.

Kind regards
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Re: Would you like to run a campsite?

Postby Wayne on Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:54 pm

Amazing.

If only :think:




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