The Camping Forum

[rexgrant]

I have to say Rex, until now, I had not read that thread recently and hadn't seen the latter posts about winter camping and that wasn't the thread I thought had caused you to feel this way. I was referring to the Jeremy Clarkson thread.

Having read that thread now, I will say that what you posted is one of the reasons I have disagreed with you on a number of your posts. While I cannot disagree with your sentiments and your well meaning intentions, it is my opinion that you have been uneccessarily scaremongering and I have chosen to bite my tongue over the subject rather than get involved in the debate. You have indeed given advice, but to say it is fact is perhaps overstretching it and it should be considered opinion rather than fact and others have differing opinions based on their extensive experiences.

Hi again terry
Yes fact and opinion I agree with you 100%. But recently an Admin member accused me of using the Phrase ((in my opinion))to pass on what I thought was correct. Was a way I was using it to get my point across That was ANDY.
So what can a member do when every post he makes as to go through the third degree unacceptable attacks, just read the post Andy made on the Airbeam tent, Wonder why he got so upset???? and as for the other Moderator, I would prefer not even to comment on him.
Now this post is fact not an opinion as it can be supported from post's made on this good forum but enough is enough even for my thick skin. I have grown to like the members on here and will from time to time stick my nose in if I think I can help a novice camper.
All the best
Rex.

[Admin]

Rex,

I have to say I'm growing rather tired of this now.

Upset? nothing about my post was upset? I don't own an airbeam and don't suspect i will? and how that could be percieved as a personal attack is beyond me??

I think this is a very good point and the point at which we close this discussion to those that do not own and are only speculating and basing points on others reviews and feedback. Lets leave it for those owners to pick this up and give their own views and thoughs.

My thought process was that you yourself do not own along with a number of others comments that also do not own myself included. so only speculating based on points of others and reviews thus not being a 100% true representation of the product.

You have said in the past that certain things should be dealt with in private of which we have had discussion in private in the past. yet every time you feel as though its an attack you make a public complaint as you have here.

It is very much if someone is not in agrement with you then you feel the need to drive home your opinion everytime rather than allow others views and opinions to be brought to the table closing down conversations if they are not to your liking and then get upset when others try to re-inforce their comments.

You look over the past topics and posts of this forum and everyone is invited in and made feel welcome yourself included. we are very open and allow others to cross promote yourself included of which you have done so in many threads.

Again I would have prefered to have done this in private but don't feel that you offered the same respect. Perhaps based on your view that you are not entirley happy here that it may be best you do not return. and if my comments upset others then I'm sorry. And if a result is that it casuses damage to the growth of this forum then that will be in my hands.

Wish you many more years of happy camping and hope you settle in on your new forum.

Thanks

Andy

[rexgrant]

would someone please explain to nutgone that far more people die from carbon monoxide fumes from Gas appliances than charcoal

Not in tents they don't Rex. At least not this year, & not any other years that I care to remember.

You paid too much for your heater Rex, now get over it!

Hi nutgone.
All heater and cookers that burn fossil fuel give of Carbon monoxide fumes. Carbon monoxide is lighter than air.
That means it will rise to the top of your tent,The particles of Carbon monoxide are too large to pass through the closed weave of cotton canvas and will not pass through synthetic material so the undetectable carbon monoxide will build up in the tent to a lethal level unless you have a tent with a large vent at the very top of the tent and a few below sleeping level to cause a through draft to push out the fumes and replace with fresh air.
This statement Nutgone is fact and not scaremongering as you and a few have said.
As for the heat pal I have never owned one,When I camped in all the 12 months in the UK this heater was not available nor was EHU On very cold nights we have heated wall stones on our fire out on the moors to pree warm the ground before we laid out our bivi bags but that is another story, and not required with all the modern gear now on sale. But we all gain knowledge with reading as well as experience and scientific books on fossil fuel will tell you that the dirtier the flame the more carbon monoxide is made, and that methylated spirit burns with the cleanest flame and is available for us to buy and use in none pressurised heaters and cookers. That is the safest form of all heating for all types of tents used on mountain in the arctic were gas freezes and wood is unavailable.
OK I will hang around for a while for a reply then I myself requires a lot of know how on my caravans sealed radiator system before we venture of for our winter camps in this tin tent that is better set up than our bungalow
Regards Nutgone
Rex

[rexgrant]

Rex,

I have to say I'm growing rather tired of this now.

Upset? nothing about my post was upset? I don't own an airbeam and don't suspect i will? and how that could be percieved as a personal attack is beyond me??

I think this is a very good point and the point at which we close this discussion to those that do not own and are only speculating and basing points on others reviews and feedback. Lets leave it for those owners to pick this up and give their own views and thoughs.

My thought process was that you yourself do not own along with a number of others comments that also do not own myself included. so only speculating based on points of others and reviews thus not being a 100% true representation of the product.

You have said in the past that certain things should be dealt with in private of which we have had discussion in private in the past. yet every time you feel as though its an attack you make a public complaint as you have here.

It is very much if someone is not in agrement with you then you feel the need to drive home your opinion everytime rather than allow others views and opinions to be brought to the table closing down conversations if they are not to your liking and then get upset when others try to re-inforce their comments.

You look over the past topics and posts of this forum and everyone is invited in and made feel welcome yourself included. we are very open and allow others to cross promote yourself included of which you have done so in many threads.

Again I would have prefered to have done this in private but don't feel that you offered the same respect. Perhaps based on your view that you are not entirley happy here that it may be best you do not return. and if my comments upset others then I'm sorry. And if a result is that it casuses damage to the growth of this forum then that will be in my hands.

Wish you many more years of happy camping and hope you settle in on your new forum.

Thanks

Andy

Hi Andy
My apologies about the airbeam Sorry.
Yes I do think that been admin your personal opinions and the personal opinions of other admin and moderators of a forum should be private in the first instant.
As for people who are not in agreement with a post it is the content and not the poster that should be disagreed
with and a good valid reason why you disagree, that way a friendly atmosphere is added into the discussion and there is no need to justify why the post was started. Once again I am sorry for unjustly accusing you. and as for the forum in general I have enjoyed most of my time, because of the strong disagreement with some of my opinions I have found it necessary to go into detail to protect my statements and this then as been accused of been too technical None of my post on safety as been scare mongering what I have said as been 100% fact. what I have said about equipment I have used as been said with experience of use by me all other opinions and links have been just that. And may have been the exact opposite what other think.And apart from the last couple of post I have never said that others posts are wrong just because I disagree with them. Just because I spend time on a forum and make quite a few posts 99% about camping under canvas, Note I never comment about synthetic tents as I never have used them well we had just one years ago, I leave that to other members who have the experience to discuss them, as all i Know about them is what I have read in the news and on forums about them.
There is no doubt that I have been a victim of a personal vendetta against me on this forum by one or two people, that is very clear to any regular member who uses the forum that is why I am now not going to post as regular as previous and hope when again things settle down I will return to what I have always said I think this is probably the best tent camping forum on the net and i will give it a rest from me and hope the members start to give correct information or say as I have said many times on this forum that it is a personal opinion if they can not prove it to be fact.
Sorry again for wrongfully accusation Andy.
Regards
Rex.

[nutgone]

would someone please explain to nutgone that far more people die from carbon monoxide fumes from Gas appliances than charcoal

Not in tents they don't Rex. At least not this year, & not any other years that I care to remember.

Once again you have missed the point.

There were some 3 or 4 (possibly 5, I don't remember, nor do I in fact care much) deaths this year from carbon monoxide poisoning in tents, & a few other near misses.

How many of these were from gas appliances? NONE!

That is my point Rex. The amount of CO given off by a well functioning gas appliance is practically nil, negligible at most.

I have also ALWAYS advocated the use of carbon monoxide detector/alarm units in tents where gas appliances, or any open flame devices, are to be used.

Did you read Wayne's test that I linked to earlier?

My main point with you is that I don't like new campers to be misled into believing they have to spend fortunes of their hard earned money on equipment just to enjoy camping. It is supposed to be a cheap holiday. It's people like you, trying desperately to spend their fortune in their final years, who are driving up prices of equipment & site fees. When what we really need are more who are willing to PROVE (read: FACT) that camping needn't be expensive at all.

[rexgrant]

It's people like you, trying desperately to spend their fortune in their final years, who are driving up prices of equipment & site fees
I think that says it all

[M0KAS]

and as for the other Moderator, I would prefer not even to comment on him.

I guess you could mean me about the other moderator, well I want an apology too, you have accused me of being a moderator, I'm not a moderator. If you look at the bottom of the main forum page, it has an index on what each colour represents, I am just a WIKI editor, nothing more. Just be glad I'm not a moderator, there again, the powers that be on the forum have more sense than to give me Mod status, they have enough headaches from the repercussions from some of your posts, and they don't want my chaos brought into the mess...

But cmon Rex, if I am the other person, It would be nice for you to comment on me, I like a good laugh, and I would probably learn something also, (but if you do take that offer, at least do it via PM, as not to clutter up the forum with unnecessary posts)

[CrazyCamper]

Just to clarify - the "other moderator" is likely to be me. I say that but from my own choice I am no longer a moderator having had some very in-depth discussions away from the public forum in our private mods/admin section.

There have been some changes made by Head Admin too, and I am refraining from any further public response about, or directly to Rex.

[Admin]

K i think all has been said now and we should close this one off and move on.

I don't want to lock topics. but feel that the continuation on this topic is only going to further complicate the issue.

Thanks all

Andy