The Camping Forum

[rexgrant]

Hi all
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/237780.php
Dont people realise that the adult population of the UK as been hit with enough bans,and realise the position of extreme passive smoke. We take our children out in their prams for a walk in town and what they breath into their lungs is far worse that a couple of minutes passive smoking,
Once again it is probably people from the BMA justifying their positions. to make this proposed ban viable they would have to ban smoking in private home and [Tents ] Will that be the next recommended Ban
By the way Val and I are non smokers
Regards
Rex.

[nutgone]

I'm afraid if they were to ban it on health grounds then I would gladly continue to smoke in my car (don't tell the previous owner, he was a smoker, but took such good care of the car he wouldn't even smoke in it!).

It's kind of up to me what I do to myself, isn't it?

TBH, unless they can prove it's dangerous to actually drive whilst smoking, I can't see them ever getting away with enforcing such a ban.

[M0KAS]

Isnt this what they are coming out with removing peoples freedom of choice, surely this contravenes some human rights some place. I will continue to smoke in My car, until these comedians actually pay for my car, and pay to run the thing, I will do as i please in my vehicle.

I do understand if the car has passengers in, then fair enough, but a blanket ban is pathetic do gooders screwing things up again,

[Wayne]

I think it should be against the law to smoke in a car that contains children and that's it. Although I fail the difference between picking a pack of fags up and removing one and then trying to light it and holding a mobile phone to your ear.
And as for smoking in a tent, I shudder at the thought of it lol.


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[in-a-tent]

Another thing to consider re: smoking (aside from passive smoking) is that it has a wider cost to society as a whole because of the burdon it puts on the health service.

So the "I should be allowed to smoke, I understand the consequences" argument could be countered with "are you willing to pay for your treatment when you get cancer".

This line of argument can be applied to a whole section of personal choices obviously I'm not saying it's right just that it's not as simple as "it's my choice what i do to my body".

[rexgrant]

Here are a few facts
It is estimated that there are 10,000,000 smokers in the UK.
Ihttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4709394.stm
Averge amount is estimated at 20 cigarette a day but probably more.
Tax on 20 cigarette's is £4.50
20 cigarettes a day = 364 packs of 20
Tax paid by one smokers =£1638 per year
Total tax paid by all 10 million smokers =16,380,000,00
There are 60 million adults less 1/4 of adults not paying tax
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs ... -show.html
Without smokers tax it would cost each individual adult an extra divide £1638 / 4 = £408.5 a year.
I think they are paying for thir treatment in my opinion.
Smokers please keep on smoking
Rex

[in-a-tent]

Rex your figures are a bit off, but you are right there is a financial upside, although not as high as you have calculated.

From the BBC link

"Excluding VAT, this earned the Treasury more than £8bn in 2004-5"

And

"Treating diseases caused by smoking is costly, however. The campaign group says the NHS spends £1.5bn a year, including hospital admissions, GP consultations and prescriptions. There are further costs in the form of benefits. "

So the max financial upside is £5.5bn (not £16bn) but that doesn't take into account the amoung of benefits paid to those with smoking related deseases who can't work.

£5.5bn / 45mill = £122

All of those figures are also at least 4 years out of date.

Lies, damned lies and statistics and all that :-)

[OutdoorWorldDirect]

Maybe the no smoking with children is a good idea but otherwise it is encroaching on freedom etc.

A lot of people had to stop smoking in their car when they bought in the 'no smoking in the workplace'

Ie Taxi Drivers etc who use their vehicle to earn a living.

However, if they banned everyone, i wonder if incidents of accident and road rage would increase as people dying for a fag are easily irritated/lose concentration etc.

[rexgrant]

Hi in a tent.
My built in calculator requires stem cell surgery
and as David said cigarettes are a first class nerve tonic,
But the majority of parents don't smoke in an enclosed vicinity to young children.they wait from them to start school and join all the others smoking all sorts of fillers a shame but true I think I tried my first cigarette at about six or seven.
I stopped smoking 12 years ago but at times I still have to fight the urge to have a cigarette
Rex.

[TerryV]

The Government can't do right for doing wrong can they? Relax the cannabis laws? Wrong. Tighten the smoking laws? Wrong. "Legal" highs? Why weren't they banned ages ago? Put a minimum price on alcohol? Wrong.

[Donnelly69]

Ban smoking in cars........ mmmmmm, maybe that'll stop them throwing their rubbish out of the window

[Rob-merlin1973]

Ok smoking in cars ...... as an ex smoker of 10 months i used to smoke in the car ..... but never with the kids in.
The same goes at home .... never smoked in the house, always went out side ..... this was my choice and i would not have done it differently.
Some people smoke in the house and in the car when the kids are about and no i do not think this is the right thing to do but at the end of the day it is that persons choice and no law is ever going to stop it.
The smokers contrebute to the nhs and have a right to treatment. If a child rides a bike and comes off and is hurt .....that child has a right to treatment and has paid nothing.
At the end of the day it is choice .... i stopped smoking to try and live a little longer for my kids but i smoked for 24 years and would not condem another smoker for doing what they wish to do .... just advise them to think of the kids .... if the kids are out of the car light one up and have one for me

[nutgone]

Lighting my fags at the wheel isn't so difficult. I use a windproof lighter & barely even take my eyes off the road (certainly for nowhere near a second).

It's rolling the buggers that takes the concentration!

I just think, once again, someone somewhere is trying to justify their over-paid position & had little else to come up with. I think it's about time they sacked half the civil servants that labour, in their infinite wisdom, thought were so necessary for the ruining (oops, silly me, I mean "running") of the country. But instead they decide to sell off a bank, bailed out with tax-payers money, to one of their mates, who is just as crooked as they are, for a cut down, bargain price. Great!

[subaqua]

Lighting my fags at the wheel isn't so difficult. I use a windproof lighter & barely even take my eyes off the road (certainly for nowhere near a second).

It's rolling the buggers that takes the concentration!

I just think, once again, someone somewhere is trying to justify their over-paid position & had little else to come up with. I think it's about time they sacked half the civil servants that labour, in their infinite wisdom, thought were so necessary for the ruining (oops, silly me, I mean "running") of the country. But instead they decide to sell off a bank, bailed out with tax-payers money, to one of their mates, who is just as crooked as they are, for a cut down, bargain price. Great!

i have the pics of me driving down the motorway at 85mph, taken by Greater Manchester plod , if you look closely you can see i have a album ( remember them folks) on my lap and am crumbling a block onto a rollup.

looking back now i realise how silly that was and how it is no different to using a mobile. age makes you a bit wiser. when i smoked i used to smoke in the car and the works vans. never did when i had the kids in the car though. nearly 3 years off the cigs now.

[nutgone]

I tend to roll my fags before my journey these days (was only a little joke). Although with an automatic it is easier.

I find it helps me cut down, as driving is one of my worst times for needlessly smoking. It's almost like autopilot, you get in the car, you light up a fag. Even if you don't really want one It's crazy!

Not being able to smoke indoors has helped me cut down. Until I go camping, then I'm back to smoking in bed & allsorts. Even having a smoke in bed first thing (OK, 10 o'clock in the morning) before getting up & dressed.