The Camping Forum

[The Rebel Camper]

Hi guys
Just little input here..
Those of you that have PRE 02 or 52 registration,from Jan 2012.. will be charged £100.00 per day to enter the within the M25 areas.. Your engines must conform to the euro 4 ( Emissions )

Vehicles that are affected.. include Buses, Coaches, Lorries, Mini buses, AND MOTORHOMES

To bring a vehicle in line with these requirments.. you must have a FILTER simalar to a catalyctic converter fitted...

I was quoted £1500.00 for a Citroen Expert

I would suggest that you observe the new requirements and see where you will stand

Ill put a link up shortly.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez/

[CrazyCamper]

Funnily enough there's been quite a bit of discussion on this over on my vehicle owner's club forum lately - as the zone's own regs are causing confusion.... Out of interest, a lot of us on the forum checked our own vehicles and came up with some weird anomalies considering we all have similar vehicles and ages? The database Tfl are using doesn't seem to match up with the DVLA database used to calculate Vehicle Exise Duty when it comes to emissions - which seems at odds when you think they should in theory be following the same guidelines if they wanted to appear 'green' with the charges.

As an example, I'll use my own:

Ssangyong Musso 2.9 Diesel with no CAT fitted - 1996 registered. (If you don't know, it's a 4x4 based on Merc engine and built in Korea then imported to UK as new)

DVLA classify exise duty on emissions BUT pre-2001 registered vehicles are taxed purely on engine size with 2 catergories of: under 1600cc; and over 1600cc. So my vehicle fits the later, and is taxed accordingly, which works out a lot cheaper than a newer vehicle of equivalent engine size....

Tfl say this compliance charge relates to ALL vehicles pre-2002 of the classes listed including 4x4's. So I input my VIN no. to find that despite my vehicle being older and accordingly more likely to be of higher emissions, I got the following response back:

According to our records this vehicle is not subject to the Low Emission Zone and is not required to meet the Low Emission Zone standards this time.

Leaving aside the stereotyped "Chelsea Tractor" media perception of 4x4's, I do find it odd that vehicles which are more likely to be large engined and higher emissions seem to have become exempt to this charge? Personally I'm one of many in my club that run our diesel's on Vegetable Oil which is great for the environment being virtually zero emissions and cheaper to run too... It doesn't get me cheaper tax etc as the databases only use maker's figures running on diesel, but does make me feel better driving around knowing that I'm not polluting the world despite being in a 4x4.

One day the powers that be might get their heads around all the global warming / ozone layer depletion / emissions data etc, and actually make sense of how charges differ with different bodies...

[M0KAS]

its just another way to generate more cash, nice to see cars are not included, but why goto London anyway, its traffic chaos,

[Wayne]

but why goto London anyway, its traffic chaos,

I was just thinking that

Thanks Camping Rebel for the heads up

[The Rebel Camper]

Im afraid the LEZ.. will cover all areas WITHIN THE M25 .. I carry out work for a local car & commercial dealership.
It was thought that the LEZ would remain with in the London area... as it is now... It is now understood to be EXTENDED... Dont look now.. but can you imagine the amount of small buisneses using the "OLD" commercial van and trucks.. let alone the mini buses.. are going to suffer..

so lets look at it ...
If you are coming down this way... and you need to use the M25 you will be classed as within... so dont let yourself get caught out.. As it is, it is the largest car park within the uk...lol

[M0KAS]

if you goto the local map that covers the areas in the LEZ, it states below the map

All roads within Greater London, those at Heathrow and parts of the M1 and M4 are included. However, the M25 is not included (even where it passes within the Greater London Authority boundary).

As for the biggest car park, i have to agree on that, at one time it was quicker to drive straight through London than use the M25. I remember one night I had a drop at Heathrow cargo, and then a collection at Dagenham Fords, I thought best rout was straight down the M4 and then the A4 and onto the A13..just the local police thought it was comical me driving through London at 3am, they even helped me with directions back to the north circular, pity as I was near the embankment so it was a case of just jump on the A13 lol..

[Camp Moose]

This has effected us at work.
We've had to swap our 58 & 59 reg lorries with our offices near London & we've got their 55 plate sheds.
The newer lorries used ad-blu to help reduce emmissions.
The older ones don't .

[The Rebel Camper]

mmm some confusion...

Im virtually on a A13.. The Old A13 is now the A1306... the new A13 starts near Dageham... Where the Volounteer pub used to be...
When were you last down?

[The Rebel Camper]

This has effected us at work.
We've had to swap our 58 & 59 reg lorries with our offices near London & we've got their 55 plate sheds.
The newer lorries used ad-blu to help reduce emmissions.
The older ones don't .

Ithought that these lorries would be fitted with the EURO 4 engines.. this is gonna cost you guy loads a doe..
I have learned that olders vans fitted with these are Mercedes & Volkswagon... so they will be compliant...

[Admin]

K so cars not included I was wondering for a moment then...

[The Rebel Camper]

K so cars not included I was wondering for a moment then...

If they put cars in the same category... Ide give my driving license back..

I think enogh IS enough now!
Even the American visitors are saying that these charges are Illegal

At the moment!

If you drive your VEHICLE through LONDON. it cost £8.00 per day ( Congeston Zone ) irrespective.!

As from Jan 2012, it will still cost you the same... BUT if you have a commercial vehicle, you will be paying an EXTRA £100.00 per day if your vehicle is NON COMPLIANT!!

What I am saying here is that, a lot of " CAMPERS " need to use the M25 to gain acces to a site...
and they could come from ANYWHERE in the country... and it would not be very nice... as when they get home they find a bill for a weeks camping from TFL for the sum of £700.00 this is in addition to to the congestion charge of £8.00 per day.. if you were staying at a site such as ABBEY WOOD... a C&CC site.

These people that think these things up, get paid big money, they convince thier guvnors that its the right thing to do.But do not think of the knock on problems...

[M0KAS]

it was a hell of a while ago since i was down there, there was loads of road works, and at that time, i used to come in from the M1 and work around the A406, close to maybe 10-11 years ago now could even be more, After they did the new section from the m25 to Dagenham, that's the way I changed to getting there, my normal run was from up here in the north, to fords, engine plant, each night. I used to call in the Esso garage outside fords on my way home for a snack normally chocolate (this was before i was diagnosed diabetic)

[The Rebel Camper]

I have to laugh... You came up from the engine plant ( Kent Ave).. lol

the garage is now Shell just across was the HENRY FORD PUB... now a Maccy Dees.. this road is now the the old A13 ( A1306)... done a hell of a job reconstructing the area..
The A13 that you knew... bumper to bumper all the way into london.. is now so quiet.. you would NEVER believe it... it is now a pleasure to drive on... it still is the same route, but with 90 percent less traffic REALLY.

The NEW A13 is almost a motorway... Cutting over fords... which has since gone.. over the Rainham Marshes..
All but the engine plant has now GONE from Dagenham... The PTA - Body Stamping areas, are now long gone.. even Dagenham Motors has gone..

[Nunfa1]

Body Stamping is still at fords, don't know how much goes on there but they were pressing a lot of Jaguar/ Land Rover parts at one time, but the building is still very much there. The big blue high bay warehouse behind ASDA has gone. Engine production is massive there now, all diesel power plants for europe are made there. Did my apprenticeship at Fords, spent 12 years there in all before moving on.

All that traffic has certainly not gone from the A13, just try coming out of London at 6pm, it's just moved along. Certainly from Fords east it's a breeze to travel along, just waiting for Sadlers Farm to finish now and my journey should be about as good as it can get.

[M0KAS]

another thing that struck me about this, it will be just in time for the games in London, so how many people from overseas in their vans/campers get stung by this, as i bet all the camping sites for the games will be inside the m25, I don't think its got anything to do with pollution at all, as particle filters collect the soot from the exhaust.. its all about money