The Camping Forum

[The Rebel Camper]

another thing that struck me about this, it will be just in time for the games in London, so how many people from overseas in their vans/campers get stung by this, as i bet all the camping sites for the games will be inside the m25, I don't think its got anything to do with pollution at all, as particle filters collect the soot from the exhaust.. its all about money

how correct are you... 100 percent.. ALL the sites Including Temps, are within the M25 inc Abbey wood...

You are probably now aware... you need to be within easy reach of the games... and the central line is directly into STRATFORD...

The whole of the central line is within this area.. I have recommend certain sites, that are already in situ.. and come recommended by several clubs, with local stations.. but even these are within the M25.. so yes you will need to be COMPLIANT with the LEZs

This is rip off britain... at its best..

[subaqua]

another thing that struck me about this, it will be just in time for the games in London, so how many people from overseas in their vans/campers get stung by this, as i bet all the camping sites for the games will be inside the m25, I don't think its got anything to do with pollution at all, as particle filters collect the soot from the exhaust.. its all about money

how correct are you... 100 percent.. ALL the sites Including Temps, are within the M25 inc Abbey wood...

You are probably now aware... you need to be within easy reach of the games... and the central line is directly into STRATFORD...

The whole of the central line is within this area.. I have recommend certain sites, that are already in situ.. and come recommended by several clubs, with local stations.. but even these are within the M25.. so yes you will need to be COMPLIANT with the LEZs

This is rip off britain... at its best..

no its not. epping is outside of the M25, and stations from woodford out to epping are in Essex which is not included in the LEZ the zone boundary is NOT the M25 but is the GLA area. look at the map properly.

and its not about money its about reducing the particulate matter in the air, the crap that gives you a nasty cough. its not as if peiople haven't known about it for a long time. DVLA wrote to ALL owners of non compliant vehicles over 12 months ago . thats why there is a glut of older style L200 pick ups for sale in the london area.

[M0KAS]

I was using the M25 as a generalisation, not as a boundary extent, as more people will understand the area inside the M25 easier than an outsider trying to understand the area coverage of the GLA,

[subaqua]

I was using the M25 as a generalisation, not as a boundary extent, as more people will understand the area inside the M25 easier than an outsider trying to understand the area coverage of the GLA,

point accepted. It doesn't change the fact that if there is a particulate filter fitted then the emmisions will meet the euro standard required. Londons air quality as a whole is terrible and is failing to meet standards that the Mayor agreed to meet.

http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/ ... 23&zoom=14

and if you go through the archives it shows how bad the problem gets in hot sunny weather

[AlanI]

It doesn't change the fact that if there is a particulate filter fitted then the emmisions will meet the euro standard required.

Well not entirely true unfortunately as there is more to the European Emission Standards than simply particle emissions. Rather than go into great details here, a quick Google search typing in European Emission Standards will show everything that is entailed.

In another thread I made mention of the fact that for several years now we in Germany have introduced what we call 'Unwelt Zones' similar to what is being discussed here but that applies to all vehicles. Now, because my wife's car meets the Euro 4 standard the car is awarded a Green sticker (the highest) allowing free passage into the designated Unwelt Zones and this is despite the fact that the car (VW Golf V) does NOT have a particle filter fitted. So in one respect I can sympathise with the comment made by another posted where mention was made of 'rip-off Britain' because schemes such as this essentially generate considerable sums of money for the authorities whilst paying lip service only to the real problem of air pollution which would need a far greater and more radical approach.

[subaqua]

It doesn't change the fact that if there is a particulate filter fitted then the emmisions will meet the euro standard required.

Well not entirely true unfortunately as there is more to the European Emission Standards than simply particle emissions. Rather than go into great details here, a quick Google search typing in European Emission Standards will show everything that is entailed.

In another thread I made mention of the fact that for several years now we in Germany have introduced what we call 'Unwelt Zones' similar to what is being discussed here but that applies to all vehicles. Now, because my wife's car meets the Euro 4 standard the car is awarded a Green sticker (the highest) allowing free passage into the designated Unwelt Zones and this is despite the fact that the car (VW Golf V) does NOT have a particle filter fitted. So in one respect I can sympathise with the comment made by another posted where mention was made of 'rip-off Britain' because schemes such as this essentially generate considerable sums of money for the authorities whilst paying lip service only to the real problem of air pollution which would need a far greater and more radical approach.

agreed.

the main reasn in London though is the particulates as they are the ones that cause the biggest direct problems . NO2 causes a more indirect problem. plus if it gets some old banger vans off londons roads that no bad thing

[The Rebel Camper]

I feel that these "TAXES" are illegal.. whilst we pay a ROAD TAX (RFL), The money goes to the building and upkeep the the roads.

Well lets put it this way... I pay for my car to be on the road, and to use it,,, I pay for my insurance, I pay for its upkeep... My car is within the recomended emissions ... So please tell me why, this new regulation has been placed.. Please dont say it is for cleaner air.. We have the cleanest air in london, since the 1800s..

Even with the cleanest air... I can breath in MORE FUMES in an hour, than I do smoking a cigarrete!!!
Sorry guys... This Is a TAX yet again, on the motorist.

Rather than let the goverment & the Manufactors of cars work together, to minimise the emissions.. we have someone, who feels that they want to get in first...lol Lets jump in... and charge the people..

Lets put on a good show... for the olympics.. WHEY HEY

And what went on with the demolition of factories, houses, the closure of buisnesses... the local life just disregareded... Just feel free.. to carryon .. and charge us...

I will sit back, and watch... after the olympics... this area awill revert back... to how it was... a depraved area!

[The Rebel Camper]

It doesn't change the fact that if there is a particulate filter fitted then the emmisions will meet the euro standard required.

Well not entirely true unfortunately as there is more to the European Emission Standards than simply particle emissions. Rather than go into great details here, a quick Google search typing in European Emission Standards will show everything that is entailed.

In another thread I made mention of the fact that for several years now we in Germany have introduced what we call 'Unwelt Zones' similar to what is being discussed here but that applies to all vehicles. Now, because my wife's car meets the Euro 4 standard the car is awarded a Green sticker (the highest) allowing free passage into the designated Unwelt Zones and this is despite the fact that the car (VW Golf V) does NOT have a particle filter fitted. So in one respect I can sympathise with the comment made by another posted where mention was made of 'rip-off Britain' because schemes such as this essentially generate considerable sums of money for the authorities whilst paying lip service only to the real problem of air pollution which would need a far greater and more radical approach.

agreed.

the main reasn in London though is the particulates as they are the ones that cause the biggest direct problems . NO2 causes a more indirect problem. plus if it gets some old banger vans off londons roads that no bad thing

PARTICULANTS?
Perhaps you would love to enlighten us on this word..

[in-a-tent]

Rebel Camper you don't pay Road Tax or Road Fund License they were abolished in the 1930's.

You pay Vehicle Excise Duty based on the amount of emmissions your vehicle produces. It's a pollution tax.
The money raised does not fund the upkeep of roads that is paid for from general taxation and council tax.

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[subaqua]

It doesn't change the fact that if there is a particulate filter fitted then the emmisions will meet the euro standard required.

Well not entirely true unfortunately as there is more to the European Emission Standards than simply particle emissions. Rather than go into great details here, a quick Google search typing in European Emission Standards will show everything that is entailed.

In another thread I made mention of the fact that for several years now we in Germany have introduced what we call 'Unwelt Zones' similar to what is being discussed here but that applies to all vehicles. Now, because my wife's car meets the Euro 4 standard the car is awarded a Green sticker (the highest) allowing free passage into the designated Unwelt Zones and this is despite the fact that the car (VW Golf V) does NOT have a particle filter fitted. So in one respect I can sympathise with the comment made by another posted where mention was made of 'rip-off Britain' because schemes such as this essentially generate considerable sums of money for the authorities whilst paying lip service only to the real problem of air pollution which would need a far greater and more radical approach.

agreed.

the main reasn in London though is the particulates as they are the ones that cause the biggest direct problems . NO2 causes a more indirect problem. plus if it gets some old banger vans off londons roads that no bad thing

PARTICULANTS?
Perhaps you would love to enlighten us on this word..

Particulates yes but i cant recall particulant being used even though it is the same definition
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/particulate

perhaps if you slowed down took a deep breath and posted a thought out well reasoned answer instead of the usual motorist rubbish about road tax ,you would have some time to read the dictionary for the definition.

as in a tent posted, road fund licence was abolished in the 30s, by winston Churchill i beleive . this was done to break the association and claim that vehicles have more right on the roads than anything else. it is not a right to be able to use a vehicle on the public highway, its a privelige. its far too convenient to use vehicles for short trips in London and the costs need to be raised accordingly to encourage people out of the tin boxes but this is getting away from the commercial vehicle bit of the thread.

[subaqua]

and its not being done for the Olympics , this was planned whatever happened with that white elephant.